Bring him to justice – commentary

Most requests for extradition are for murder cases or cases involving crimes involving children. Research indicates Canada’s request to Jamaica to extradite George Flowers on charges on aggravated sexual assault is extremely unusual. This fact in itself speaks to the severity of the charges against Flowers.

If you are unfamiliar with this case, here’s a recap. The Toronto Police Service have laid several charges of aggravated sexual assault against Flowers for failing to advise his partners he was HIV positive. This was over a period of 15 years. Some of those partners are now HIV positive themselves.

Mr Flowers fled to Jamaica, where he apparently hold citizenship. Once the Toronto Police had all their papers in order, Flowers was arrested by the Jamaican police and held in custody pending an extradition hearing. Jamaica, as a member of the British Commonwealth, uses the British system of courts, as does Canada. Consequently, Flowers is entitled to a hearing and the right of appeal should the decision go against him. At the time of writing, he is still in a Jamaican jail awaiting his last appeal, all previous lower court decisions having favoured Canada’s request.

It is expected that this final appeal will also support the extradition request and Flowers will shortly be on a plane bound for Toronto’s Pearson airport and a cell somewhere in Toronto. As he has already fled the country once, nobody can see him being granted bail.

I will update this situation as more confirmed information becomes available.

Cat.

Hey Barb! (part of “Bring him to justice”)

You don’t mind if I call you Barb, do you?

This is about the three comments you posted on “Bring him to justice – CAPTURED!” last night.  Before I start, just so you know, I began writing about the charges against, and the search for, George Flowers on August 14, 2012 and the piece you commented on was written June 11, 2013, so my question is “Where have you been hiding for the past two-and-a-half years?”

Now, your comments.  First, this one:
Barbara
10 minutes ago
You know nothing and this blog is discrediting his reputation as any logical person would know they have to prove that he gave it them and that can not be proven so… , your friends were so quick to bus it open and now that have something you want to call him a monster no one told you to have sex , he is no monster he made mistakes and will get the proper punishment most of these woman are just spiteful that they were fucked and dumped , watch what you say about a man that you know nothing about watch what you say about a man that you know nothing about

This is so full of inaccuracies, probably including your name, I don’t know where to start.  To use your own words, “any logical person would know” the Toronto Police Service must feel they have sufficient evidence to lay those charges.  “He is no monster he made mistakes”.  That must be some great ganja you’ve got.  The Oxford Dictionary describes a mistake as “an error in judgement”, among other things.  That for fifteen years he failed to tell any of his partners he was HIV positive takes his actions far beyond the “mistake” range and puts him squarely into monster territory.  Another inaccuracy (don’t worry, I’m almost done) is your “fucked and dumped” comment.  At least two women I know did the dumping, not him, which is the complete opposite of your claim.  Finally, in what moment  of clairvoyant clarity did you determine I know nothing about the man.  I’ve met him and spent time in his company.  I know he’s married and has kids and I even know his wife’s name.  I also know that rather than cross the street to hear him perform, I’d cross the street to avoid hearing him.   By the way, out of curiosity, should I consider your “watch what you say about a man that you know nothing about” a threat?

Now, your second message:
Barbara
9 minutes ago
where are you getting your information

Sorry Barb, like any respectable journalist, I won’t reveal my sources.

And, your final message:
Barbara
8 minutes ago
lastly if he is found guilty he will get less than 10 years and then be free now tell me would you be scared of a man you just convicted

No, I wouldn’t be scared.  Actually, if it were up to me, I’d have charged him with attempted murder, not aggravated sexual assault, and if any of his victims have passed on, I’d charge him with first degree murder.  Yes, first degree, because he made a conscious decision not to reveal his status.  And Barb, consider this: People convicted of the crimes he is charged with, especially if they are HIV positive, are not among the elite in the prison hierarchy.  He can expect to have a very rough time in prison.  Things happen in prisons so he may not make it through that sentence.

I hope I answered your questions and concerns.

Cat

Bring him to justice – progress report

Many, many thanks to two readers, cm and Concerned Follower, for providing me with the link to the following article which appeared in The Jamaican Observer of Monday, October 13, 2014:

Jamaican wanted in Canada on sex charges fights extradition

KINGSTON, Jamaica – A Jamaican man, who was ordered extradited last month to Canada where he’s wanted for trial on sex crimes, has taken his fight to remain in the island to the Supreme Court.

The man, George Flowers, is to appear in the Supreme Court today where he’s challenging the ruling in the Corporate Area Resident Magistrate’s Court that he be extradited.

The order was made by Magistrate Simone Wolfe-Reece, who told Flowers that he could appeal the decision to another court within 15 days.

Should Flowers lose his battle against extradition in the Supreme Court, he has the option of taking that fight to the Court of Appeal.

Flowers, who goes by the name Mr Flowas, is wanted in Canada on several counts of  aggravated sexual assault.

He was arrested in Jamaica on June 4.

That arrest date is actually June 4, 2013.

In this case, “aggravated sexual assault” means he was HIV positive and never told any of his partners.

I’d like to say “this is it”, but I know it probably won’t be.  Should the Supreme Court uphold Madame Wolfe-Reece’s decision, as the article states, Flowers could go to the Court of Appeal.  And, in the event the Supreme Court sets aside the lower court’s ruling, I’m quite certain the Crown will appeal.  Either way, unfortunately it ain’t over yet folks.

I started the “Bring him to justice” series on August 14, 2012, a day after the Toronto Police Service issued their first Public Safety Alert on George Flowers.  I’m saddened to say that other than a brief flurry when the PSA was issued and a brief interview conducted by Global Television Toronto with one of his victims, there has been no Canadian (or even Toronto) coverage of this.  The only media coverage I’ve seen has been the above article and one other short piece in Jamaican papers.

I know it’s been a long time between postings on this matter, but I refuse to print rumour and this is the first confirmed information I’ve had since I wrote of his capture.  As more confirmed  information becomes available, I will issue updates.

Following is a copy of an email I received from the detective in charge of this case, which I feel bears repeating:

Hello Cat,

I am the officer investigating the aggravated sexual assault allegations against George Flowers.

I have stumbled upon your blog and have read what has been going on.

I appreciate you making more people aware of this investigation as we deem this situation as a major public safety risk.

My goal is to find and speak with anyone who has had sexual contact with Mr. Flowers.  They need to know that there is an active investigation and given the option of whether they would proceed with police involvement.  His non-disclosure actions are criminal whether or not a sexual encounter resulted in HIV infection. A lot of people are under the impression that if they DIDN’T contract HIV, that they have no criminal claim and that is false. The charge is for the “threat” of contracting the virus at the time of sexual contact if they were NOT advised of someone’s HIV status PRIOR to any sexual encounter.

The reason I am telling you this is because you indicated in your blog that you have spoken to other people who have been previous sexual partners of Mr. Flowers.

If you have any further information in regards to his whereabouts or anything else, I would appreciate it.  You can remain anonymous.  If you can also advise the other people who have been previous partners of Mr. Flowers of what I wrote, it would be appreciated.

If you have questions, don’t hesitate to call me.

Thanks in advance for your time.

Regards,

Nancy Johnston
Detective Constable #8734
Family Violence Unit
Toronto Police Service
Phone: (416)-808-5505
Email: Nancy.Johnston@torontopolice.on.ca

Note especially the bold section.

If Detective Johnston isn’t available, please speak with one of the other detectives in the unit .

Cat.

About time

Last night, Rob Ford, the mayor of all subway-loving Torontonians, finally admitted he has a problem with alcohol and some of his decisions while under the influence. He announced he would be taking a 30 day leave of absence to seek treatment. If you’ve read my previous postings, you know I am not a fan of Robbie and while I’m glad to see him finally ‘fess up to his substance abuse, I’m suspicious of the timing.

One of the Toronto papers, The Globe and Mail, claims to have seen another video of Robbie apparently smoking crack and showed three screen grabs from that video. This video was apparently taken very early last Saturday morning in the basement of his sister’s home. Another paper, the Toronto Sun, claims to have an audio recording made Monday night in one of Robbie’s local bars. In this recording, someone we are told is Rob Ford is heard making misogynist comments about a female candidate for mayor as well as comments about his wife.

In the past, when tapes come out, such as last year when the first crack tape was revealed, Robbie just ignored the whole thing – for six months. Only when the Toronto Police Service announced they had a copy of that tape did Robbie admit to having smoked crack. He has used this “ignore it and it will go away” tactic several times over the past year, but this time he is in the middle of his re-election campaign, so that won’t work. My personal opinion is that this “leave of absence” is in actuality nothing more than him running away from his problems. In an interview on one of the Toronto television stations, a reporter who was involved in breaking the first crack tape story stated that even though the mayor is taking 30 days off, the reporter fully expected to be having the same discussion in 60 days.

I certainly hope the mayor is serious about getting professional help, but I’m curious what that help will be for – he only mentioned the alcohol problems and completely ignored the crack.
Rob Ford’s absence at city hall will have no effect on running the City of Toronto for he was stripped of most of his powers months ago and the deputy mayor, Norm Kelly, has been running things. So, if Robbie needs more than 30 days, I suggest he take it.

Cat.

Robbie, you’re old news

Rob Ford has never been one to let facts get in the way of his version of events.  How long did it take him to finally admit that he had smoked crack?   Here’s another example of Robbie ignoring evidence in an attempt to smear a Toronto Star reporter.  The following section has been extracted from a CBC News report on an interview between Conrad Black and Toronto’s titular mayor Rob Ford:

At one point in the interview, Black asked Ford about media intrusion on his family’s privacy, and Ford singled out Dale for an incident that happened in May 2012.

Ford had confronted Dale outside the mayor’s west-end home in an adjacent park — a section of which the mayor was looking to buy.

“Daniel Dale is in my backyard taking pictures. I have little kids. He’s taking pictures of little kids,” Ford said. “I don’t want to say that word but you start thinking what this guy is all about.”

Dale said that at no time did he ever take any photographs of the mayor’s family, house or even his property — and a police investigation bore that out.

When asked directly about the Dale comments, Mayor Ford said at a press conference that he stood by his words in the interview.

“I stand by every word.”

Robbie, the whole city knows you don’t like The Toronto Star, but to suggest one of their reporters is a paedophile is low even for you.  Despite the existence of a police report (see bolded section above) you stand by your comments.  Then again, even though you knew of the existence of a certain tape, until the police announced they had retrieved a copy of it from a hard drive, you denied there was such a tape.  So what’s it going to take this time before you retract your accusations?

News flash Robbie: You’re mayor in name only and no matter how much huffing and puffing you and your brother do, that ain’t gonna change.  You’re old news.  Stop trying to draw attention to yourself.

Cat.

Robbie, take a break

I wasn’t going to write about Toronto Mayor Rob Ford because I didn’t feel I could add anything.  Before I start, I don’t live in Toronto so have no personal axe to grind. I do however think it is sad to watch a life spiralling out of control, especially when that life is that of a public figure.

A little recap first.  Back in May the Toronto Star and the website Gawker were offered – for a six figure sum – a video tape of Robbie smoking crack.  He stated he did not use crack cocaine and had never used crack cocaine and further stated the video in question did not exist.  About a week ago Bill Blair, the Chief of Police for Toronto, announced they had recovered a video tape from a hard drive and when asked by reporters, said the tape was consistent with earlier media reports. In other words, it appeared to show Hiz Honour smoking crack.  After a few days of typical Ford denial, during which his lawyer said that it may not have been crack in the pipe,  Robbie finally admitted that yes, he had smoked crack, about a year ago, but said it was “probably while in a drunken stupor.”

Yesterday another tape surfaced, this one showing his rotundness ranting and jumping about while he demonstrated how he was going to kill someone and dropping the f-word many times.  This time he had the grace to come out early and admit that yes, it was him on the tape, but he was “extremely inebriated,.”

So, from his own mouth, we have admissions that the mayor of all subway-loving citizens of Toronto has used crack and is a drunk.  Or do we?

CP24, the Toronto all-news station, was granted an exclusive interview with the rest of the Ford family yesterday.  During this interview, his mother tried to defend Robbie by saying something along the lines of he isn’t a drunk although he does engage in binge-drinking every two or three months.  Excuse me?  As I understand it, binge-drinking involves pouring back the alcohol until you are absolutely blotto. And if you drink with the express purpose of getting hammered, doesn’t that make you a drunk?  Of course the Fords seem to have their own method of quantifying alcoholic influence.  Is being in a drunken stupor and smoking crack better or worse than ranting about killing someone while extremely intoxicated?  Or are both states roughly equal?

Rob Ford has consistently lied to the citizens of Toronto.  Yet his brother Doug, a Toronto City Councillor, stated on the Ford radio show last Sunday that “Rob is the most honest person I know”.  Doesn’t say much for Doug’s standards, does it?  Doug has been defending his brother for years and when the police announced they had the now infamous crack tape, called for the police chief to step down as he had a bias against the mayor.  In a move more worthy of children in a schoolyard than elected municipal officials, neither Ford attended the annual Police Gala two nights ago and withdrew their donation for the charity auction that forms part of the Gala.  I understand it was  dinner with the mayor, so perhaps withdrawing it was the wise thing to do under the circumstances.

Robbie, listen to your advisors and all of city council and take a leave of absence and enter rehab.  You know the situation is dire when even Jon Stewart on “The Daily Show” turns serious and urges you to go to rehab.  And do us a favour and take mini-mayor Doug with you.

Finally, while not confirmed, rumours in the area of Toronto where the first two tapes were supposedly shot are that yet another tape exists.  That should be interesting if true.

Cat.

Why not wait for details?

We have heard, seen and read much about the unfortunate shooting of a young man on a Toronto streetcar this past weekend.

There has been a great outcry over this incident, based on a blurry cellphone video and news reports.  The problem is that this is still being investigated – we don’t really know what happened.  All the video shows (and this video did not capture the events from the beginning) is a young man standing on a streetcar wielding a knife near the front door and an officer on the street firing his weapon after orders to drop the knife were ignored.  What led to this point; a moment in time that affected not only the family of this young man, but the officer as well?

I’ve heard the question “why didn’t the police use a taser rather than shoot him?”  Why?  Simple.  Because the officers on the street don’t carry tasers.  According to my information, at any given time, there are perhaps 15 tasers on the street of Toronto, each in the possession of a patrol sergeant.   The reports state this young man was tasered after he was shot.  If so, the police obviously felt they had just cause.  The fact there are only 15 tasers on the street at any time naturally gives rise to the suggestion that all front-line officers be issued tasers.

I’ll admit I’m of two minds on this idea.  Granted, it would provide another level of deterrent when dealing with a situation before resorting to deadly force.  On the other hand, the case of
Robert Dziekan’ski at Vancouver International Airport does provide a good example of what can happen.  And there have been other cases where use of a taser has resulted in the death of someone.  Now from what I recall, some of these cases were the result of underlying medical causes aggravated by the voltage, but in the Robert Dziekan’ski case, his death was eventually ruled as homicide.

Now, I know all my readers are law-abiding citizens, but you may have a friend who isn’t.  Think for a moment: How would you feel if that friend were to die from a heart attack brought on by what is supposed to be a non-lethal way of subduing him?

Cat

Bring him to justice – CAPTURED!!!

An elite squad from the Jamaican Constabulary Force has arrested George Flowers aka ‘Mr Flowas” on Canadian warrants of aggravated sexual assault. This happened about 1 pm Toronto time June 4.  At the time of writing, Flowers is in a Jamaican jail awaiting an extradition hearing.

As with all cases involving someone captured in a foreign country, the person can either waive or fight the extradition order.  In this case, waiving extradition would mean Flowers could be returned to Canada post-haste or, if he fights it, he will spend time in a Jamaican prison.  I must admit I have mixed feelings about this situation.  As I wrote in the original posting “Bring him to justice” I know people who dated this man.  Yes, I’m glad he’s finally been detained.  It’s about time this piece of garbage was off the streets so he can’t infect anyone else.

This is good news, but it is tempered by this: if he waives extradition, or the Jamaican courts reject his arguments, he will be returned to Canada to stand trial. While the police investigation and search have awakened memories in his victims, the worst could still be ahead for them.  It is my understanding Mr Flowers now has AIDS and is extremely ill.  Given his condition, I would hope there is a possibility he would plead guilty.  If he doesn’t, then his lawyers will do their best to discredit his victims.  These victims don’t need to relive that part of their lives again; nor do they deserve to have their reputations dragged through the gutter, neither should they have the lives they’ve carefully rebuilt destroyed, yet this could happen under our system of justice.

One victim has told me that in hearing of his arrest she feels she has received some justice and is very elated at this news.

As more information becomes available, I’ll report it.

To repeat what Detective Johnston wrote earlier,    His non-disclosure actions are criminal whether or not a sexual encounter resulted in HIV infection. A lot of people are under the impression that if they DIDN’T contract HIV, that they have no criminal claim and that is false. The charge is for the “threat” of contracting the virus at the time of sexual contact if they were NOT advised of someone’s HIV status PRIOR to any sexual encounter.  If the fact George was at large has kept you from contacting the police in the past, now that he’s in custody, I urge you to please contact Detective Nancy Johnston, Toronto Police Service, 55 Division at 416-808-5505.

Cat.

For those who are interested, following is a chronological list of the complete series dealing with George Flowers:

Bring him to justice
Bring him to justice – followup
This and that
Bring him to justice – echoes from the past
Bring him to justice – updated photo
Bring him to justice – reaction
Bring him to justice – update
I guess the answer is “yes”
Bring him to justice – silence
Bring him to justice – stop the nonsense
Blogs: Opinion pieces or news reports?
Updates and comments
Bring him to justice – media questions
WordsupPressed
Bring him to justice – my perspective
Bring him to justice – nationwide
Bring him to justice – a victim speaks
Bring him to justice – more media questions
Honestly, I don’t care
I can’t do that
Bring him to justice – recap
Bring him to justice – CAPTURED!!!

smh

There is currently a trial underway in Toronto to determine the guilt or innocence of a man charged with first degree murder in the killing of police officer Sgt Ryan Russell.  I will not use the name of the accused because he’s had enough publicity.  Both the Crown and defence agree the man was driving a snowplow when it hit and killed the officer.  What is at question is the man’s mental state at the time he stole that snowplow and went on a rampage that, at one point included crashing the front window of a Ferrari dealership.

The Crown naturally feels the accused was fully aware of what he was doing.  From the video from the dashcam in the police cruiser, I personally believe the accused deliberately turned that plow around and aimed at the cruiser.  But I’m not involved in the case, just stating my opinion based on broadcast footage.  The defence is claiming diminished capacity and claims their client was not criminally responsible.

This case should be going to the jury about the time I write this.

There’s the Reader’s Digest version of the case.  Yesterday one of the Toronto talk radio stations, CFRB, also known as Newstalk 1010, had a panel of lawyers and legal experts discussing the term “not criminally responsible”.

Rob Ford, the Mayor of Toronto, or at least that portion of Toronto that likes football and subways and isn’t gay, phoned that talk show and once again demonstrated his inability to grasp a situation.  First off, the mayor making public comments on a case currently before the courts seems, at best a lack of common sense, at worst bizarre.  The lawyers said Robbie also appeared to have no understanding at all of “not criminally responsible” or what it meant.  So it would seem that once again Hizzoner has managed to make himself appear an ass.

Another “smh” moment happened Saturday night north of Toronto.  A young man was stopped for doing 65 in a 50 zone (mph).  A breathalyzer showed he was impaired, which means an automatic seizure of vehicle.  His mother was called to pick him up.  When she arrived at the police station, the officer at the desk smelled alcohol on her breath and administered a breathalyzer.  She too was impaired and had her car impounded for 90 days.  The questions that come to my mind on this are these: is she naturally stupid, or had the alcohol so impaired her judgement she didn’t have the sense to call a cab?

Enjoy your week,

Cat.

Bring him to justice – recap

Last August I began a series of posts under the general title “Bring him to justice” following the release of a Public Safety Alert by the Toronto Police Service.  The subject of this PSA was one George Flowers, aka “Mr Flowas”, wanted for aggravated sexual assault.  This man was diagnosed HIV positive in 1996 but neglected to tell his sexual partners, some of whom are now themselves HIV positive.  My interest in this case arises from the fact I know people he dated.

As new verifiable information became available, or as I felt it necessary to respond to comments on postings, I would add another posting to the series. According to the last verifiable report, actually an updated PSA, he was facing twelve charges.  I haven’t added anything over the past couple of months for the simple reason I won’t print rumours.  Oh, I’ve heard stories that he’s been spotted here or there; that he’s being hidden somewhere, or that he’s turned himself in.  But without any confirmation, I won’t print these canards and nobody can confirm the information.  So it doesn’t get printed.  One further reason for that decision, especially the rumour he’s turned himself in, is that it would give false hope to his victims, and their lives are hard enough without me adding to their difficulties.

If you have any information on the present whereabouts of George Flowers, or you wish to add yourself to the list of victims, I urge you to contact Detective Nancy Johnston at the Toronto Police Service, 55 Division, telephone number 416-808-5505.  You can also contact CrimeStoppers anonymously with your information.  According to information from Det Johnston, you don’t have to have been diagnosed positive to file a complaint, just that fact you were with him is enough.

Considering the lack of interest from the mainstream media on this, I feel confident that if something does happen on the search for George Flowers, you’ll read it here first.

Cat.