Bring him to justice – Canadian justice pending

He’s coming back. According to an article in today’s Jamaica Observer, George Flowers has lost his final appeal against extradition to Canada. A representative of the Toronto Police Service will be travelling to Jamaica to escort him back to Toronto to face justice in a Canadian courtroom.

I must admit I have mixed feelings writing this. On the one side, I have some concerns for his accusers; that they will have their carefully reconstructed lives ripped apart by his lawyers in court; that the secrets they’ve been hiding for many years will be exposed. On the other side, that George Flowers will finally face the justice he so richly deserves is satisfying. Full disclosure here: I know people he dated, some of whom have tested HIV positive, so I am finding it difficult to remain neutral in this, but I will do my best.

His sexual assaults date back at least twenty years and he has played the Jamaican legal system for at least three years. Finally though, he has run out of options and the Jamaican courts have said to Canada “you can have his ass, just come and get him”.

I’ll write more when I have more details, but in the meantime I ask for your prayers for his victims.

Cat.

Bring him to justice – request

As my followers and readers are aware, I’ve been writing a series under the general title “Bring him to justice”. This series is about the actions of one George Flowers, aka Mr Flowas, and the attempts by the Canadian government to extradite him from Jamaica to face multiple charges of aggravated sexual assault. These charges stem from the fact that for a period of several years, he failed to disclose his HIV positive status to his various partners some of whom have tested positive.

The last concrete information I have is that his final appeal against extradition was heard by the Jamaican Courts in January, 2016 and the judge has apparently reserved a decision on this matter. It is now June and my other sources have heard nothing further on the Court’s decision.

I know I have two readers who, in the past, have provided me with links to articles in The Gleaner. I ask these two people if they have any further information on this case and. If so, could they please send me a link to the information, or send me the information.

Personally I feel the longer he remains in jail in Jamaica, the better for if he is returned to Toronto, his victims will have to undergo the stress of having their carefully rebuilt lives torn apart by his attorneys.

Thanks,

Cat.

Bring him to justice – commentary

Most requests for extradition are for murder cases or cases involving crimes involving children. Research indicates Canada’s request to Jamaica to extradite George Flowers on charges on aggravated sexual assault is extremely unusual. This fact in itself speaks to the severity of the charges against Flowers.

If you are unfamiliar with this case, here’s a recap. The Toronto Police Service have laid several charges of aggravated sexual assault against Flowers for failing to advise his partners he was HIV positive. This was over a period of 15 years. Some of those partners are now HIV positive themselves.

Mr Flowers fled to Jamaica, where he apparently hold citizenship. Once the Toronto Police had all their papers in order, Flowers was arrested by the Jamaican police and held in custody pending an extradition hearing. Jamaica, as a member of the British Commonwealth, uses the British system of courts, as does Canada. Consequently, Flowers is entitled to a hearing and the right of appeal should the decision go against him. At the time of writing, he is still in a Jamaican jail awaiting his last appeal, all previous lower court decisions having favoured Canada’s request.

It is expected that this final appeal will also support the extradition request and Flowers will shortly be on a plane bound for Toronto’s Pearson airport and a cell somewhere in Toronto. As he has already fled the country once, nobody can see him being granted bail.

I will update this situation as more confirmed information becomes available.

Cat.

Anything constructive to add?

“Joseph” responded to my posting ‘I don’t follow the logic” with what appears to be nothing more than attacks on myself and George Flowers’s partners. Here is the complete comment from “Joseph”, then I’ll examine it in detail:

Joseph

If your going to tell a story, that’s fine, tell the whole story. But why lie?

“The people I know who dated him never mentioned it” ?
I thought you said you knew him? Bullshit or I would know you. “Cat”
ALL these girls knew what George was about. Knew he was married. Knew he had multiple partners.
What did they think the end result would be when they go clubbing and drop their panties for everyone that asks, AND to not even use protection.

For the benefit of those who haven’t read “I don’t follow the logic” (why haven’t you?) the second sentence refers to some alleged charity work George did.

What you’re saying in that third sentence is that you know everyone George has ever met or had business dealings with, is that correct? Sounds kind of creepy to me – almost stalking. Obviously your statement is incorrect or you would know where and under what circumstances I met him. So that would also mean you are aware of every time George dropped his pants and the name of the person he was with at the time.

That would also mean that you knew Lisa – his first wife – and wife number 2, and that he on occasion had as many as three women on the side, both before and after he married. You would know then that he was diagnosed HIV positive in 1996 and had long-term, intimate, loving relationships in 1997 where he did not disclose his status.

I know three people who had long-term relationships with him after 1996, so it wasn’t a case of going clubbing then “dropping their panties” as you so crudely put it. These women all dumped him after they learned of the existence of the other two.

“Joseph”, does this sound like the dirtbag you know? I got this story from two different sources, so I’m more inclined to trust them than someone who calls me a liar and doesn’t provide proof of their claims.

I hope I’ve enlightened you a little more on your long-time friend.
Cat.

Hey Barb! (part of “Bring him to justice”)

You don’t mind if I call you Barb, do you?

This is about the three comments you posted on “Bring him to justice – CAPTURED!” last night.  Before I start, just so you know, I began writing about the charges against, and the search for, George Flowers on August 14, 2012 and the piece you commented on was written June 11, 2013, so my question is “Where have you been hiding for the past two-and-a-half years?”

Now, your comments.  First, this one:
Barbara
10 minutes ago
You know nothing and this blog is discrediting his reputation as any logical person would know they have to prove that he gave it them and that can not be proven so… , your friends were so quick to bus it open and now that have something you want to call him a monster no one told you to have sex , he is no monster he made mistakes and will get the proper punishment most of these woman are just spiteful that they were fucked and dumped , watch what you say about a man that you know nothing about watch what you say about a man that you know nothing about

This is so full of inaccuracies, probably including your name, I don’t know where to start.  To use your own words, “any logical person would know” the Toronto Police Service must feel they have sufficient evidence to lay those charges.  “He is no monster he made mistakes”.  That must be some great ganja you’ve got.  The Oxford Dictionary describes a mistake as “an error in judgement”, among other things.  That for fifteen years he failed to tell any of his partners he was HIV positive takes his actions far beyond the “mistake” range and puts him squarely into monster territory.  Another inaccuracy (don’t worry, I’m almost done) is your “fucked and dumped” comment.  At least two women I know did the dumping, not him, which is the complete opposite of your claim.  Finally, in what moment  of clairvoyant clarity did you determine I know nothing about the man.  I’ve met him and spent time in his company.  I know he’s married and has kids and I even know his wife’s name.  I also know that rather than cross the street to hear him perform, I’d cross the street to avoid hearing him.   By the way, out of curiosity, should I consider your “watch what you say about a man that you know nothing about” a threat?

Now, your second message:
Barbara
9 minutes ago
where are you getting your information

Sorry Barb, like any respectable journalist, I won’t reveal my sources.

And, your final message:
Barbara
8 minutes ago
lastly if he is found guilty he will get less than 10 years and then be free now tell me would you be scared of a man you just convicted

No, I wouldn’t be scared.  Actually, if it were up to me, I’d have charged him with attempted murder, not aggravated sexual assault, and if any of his victims have passed on, I’d charge him with first degree murder.  Yes, first degree, because he made a conscious decision not to reveal his status.  And Barb, consider this: People convicted of the crimes he is charged with, especially if they are HIV positive, are not among the elite in the prison hierarchy.  He can expect to have a very rough time in prison.  Things happen in prisons so he may not make it through that sentence.

I hope I answered your questions and concerns.

Cat

Bring him to justice – progress report

Many, many thanks to two readers, cm and Concerned Follower, for providing me with the link to the following article which appeared in The Jamaican Observer of Monday, October 13, 2014:

Jamaican wanted in Canada on sex charges fights extradition

KINGSTON, Jamaica – A Jamaican man, who was ordered extradited last month to Canada where he’s wanted for trial on sex crimes, has taken his fight to remain in the island to the Supreme Court.

The man, George Flowers, is to appear in the Supreme Court today where he’s challenging the ruling in the Corporate Area Resident Magistrate’s Court that he be extradited.

The order was made by Magistrate Simone Wolfe-Reece, who told Flowers that he could appeal the decision to another court within 15 days.

Should Flowers lose his battle against extradition in the Supreme Court, he has the option of taking that fight to the Court of Appeal.

Flowers, who goes by the name Mr Flowas, is wanted in Canada on several counts of  aggravated sexual assault.

He was arrested in Jamaica on June 4.

That arrest date is actually June 4, 2013.

In this case, “aggravated sexual assault” means he was HIV positive and never told any of his partners.

I’d like to say “this is it”, but I know it probably won’t be.  Should the Supreme Court uphold Madame Wolfe-Reece’s decision, as the article states, Flowers could go to the Court of Appeal.  And, in the event the Supreme Court sets aside the lower court’s ruling, I’m quite certain the Crown will appeal.  Either way, unfortunately it ain’t over yet folks.

I started the “Bring him to justice” series on August 14, 2012, a day after the Toronto Police Service issued their first Public Safety Alert on George Flowers.  I’m saddened to say that other than a brief flurry when the PSA was issued and a brief interview conducted by Global Television Toronto with one of his victims, there has been no Canadian (or even Toronto) coverage of this.  The only media coverage I’ve seen has been the above article and one other short piece in Jamaican papers.

I know it’s been a long time between postings on this matter, but I refuse to print rumour and this is the first confirmed information I’ve had since I wrote of his capture.  As more confirmed  information becomes available, I will issue updates.

Following is a copy of an email I received from the detective in charge of this case, which I feel bears repeating:

Hello Cat,

I am the officer investigating the aggravated sexual assault allegations against George Flowers.

I have stumbled upon your blog and have read what has been going on.

I appreciate you making more people aware of this investigation as we deem this situation as a major public safety risk.

My goal is to find and speak with anyone who has had sexual contact with Mr. Flowers.  They need to know that there is an active investigation and given the option of whether they would proceed with police involvement.  His non-disclosure actions are criminal whether or not a sexual encounter resulted in HIV infection. A lot of people are under the impression that if they DIDN’T contract HIV, that they have no criminal claim and that is false. The charge is for the “threat” of contracting the virus at the time of sexual contact if they were NOT advised of someone’s HIV status PRIOR to any sexual encounter.

The reason I am telling you this is because you indicated in your blog that you have spoken to other people who have been previous sexual partners of Mr. Flowers.

If you have any further information in regards to his whereabouts or anything else, I would appreciate it.  You can remain anonymous.  If you can also advise the other people who have been previous partners of Mr. Flowers of what I wrote, it would be appreciated.

If you have questions, don’t hesitate to call me.

Thanks in advance for your time.

Regards,

Nancy Johnston
Detective Constable #8734
Family Violence Unit
Toronto Police Service
Phone: (416)-808-5505
Email: Nancy.Johnston@torontopolice.on.ca

Note especially the bold section.

If Detective Johnston isn’t available, please speak with one of the other detectives in the unit .

Cat.

Bring him to justice – CAPTURED!!!

An elite squad from the Jamaican Constabulary Force has arrested George Flowers aka ‘Mr Flowas” on Canadian warrants of aggravated sexual assault. This happened about 1 pm Toronto time June 4.  At the time of writing, Flowers is in a Jamaican jail awaiting an extradition hearing.

As with all cases involving someone captured in a foreign country, the person can either waive or fight the extradition order.  In this case, waiving extradition would mean Flowers could be returned to Canada post-haste or, if he fights it, he will spend time in a Jamaican prison.  I must admit I have mixed feelings about this situation.  As I wrote in the original posting “Bring him to justice” I know people who dated this man.  Yes, I’m glad he’s finally been detained.  It’s about time this piece of garbage was off the streets so he can’t infect anyone else.

This is good news, but it is tempered by this: if he waives extradition, or the Jamaican courts reject his arguments, he will be returned to Canada to stand trial. While the police investigation and search have awakened memories in his victims, the worst could still be ahead for them.  It is my understanding Mr Flowers now has AIDS and is extremely ill.  Given his condition, I would hope there is a possibility he would plead guilty.  If he doesn’t, then his lawyers will do their best to discredit his victims.  These victims don’t need to relive that part of their lives again; nor do they deserve to have their reputations dragged through the gutter, neither should they have the lives they’ve carefully rebuilt destroyed, yet this could happen under our system of justice.

One victim has told me that in hearing of his arrest she feels she has received some justice and is very elated at this news.

As more information becomes available, I’ll report it.

To repeat what Detective Johnston wrote earlier,    His non-disclosure actions are criminal whether or not a sexual encounter resulted in HIV infection. A lot of people are under the impression that if they DIDN’T contract HIV, that they have no criminal claim and that is false. The charge is for the “threat” of contracting the virus at the time of sexual contact if they were NOT advised of someone’s HIV status PRIOR to any sexual encounter.  If the fact George was at large has kept you from contacting the police in the past, now that he’s in custody, I urge you to please contact Detective Nancy Johnston, Toronto Police Service, 55 Division at 416-808-5505.

Cat.

For those who are interested, following is a chronological list of the complete series dealing with George Flowers:

Bring him to justice
Bring him to justice – followup
This and that
Bring him to justice – echoes from the past
Bring him to justice – updated photo
Bring him to justice – reaction
Bring him to justice – update
I guess the answer is “yes”
Bring him to justice – silence
Bring him to justice – stop the nonsense
Blogs: Opinion pieces or news reports?
Updates and comments
Bring him to justice – media questions
WordsupPressed
Bring him to justice – my perspective
Bring him to justice – nationwide
Bring him to justice – a victim speaks
Bring him to justice – more media questions
Honestly, I don’t care
I can’t do that
Bring him to justice – recap
Bring him to justice – CAPTURED!!!

You sir, are dangerous

A friend posted a photo and two quotes on Facebook yesterday.  The photo is of an American senator and no I won’t tell you who, or his party affiliation, or what state he represents, purely to save him any further embarrassment.

His comments referred to AIDS and were both uninformed and highly inaccurate.  There were no dates or places attached to these quotes, so I don’t know how old, or new, they are but they would have incensed me anyway.

Here’s his first comment: Most people realize that AIDS came from the homosexual community.  It was one guy screwing a monkey, if I recall correctly, and then having sex with men.  It was an airline pilot, if I recall.  Senator, you are so far off-base on this you aren’t even in the ballpark.  A while ago I read an article, probably on the Toronto Star news site, about research that had been done on the origins of AIDS in humans.  I do not recall the author of the research nor the institute that conducted it. If anyone knows, please tell me so I may amend this posting and give them proper credit.

According to this research, poor tribesmen would capture, kill and skin monkeys in order to sell both the meat and the hides.  If you’ve ever worked in a kitchen preparing food, you know how easy it can be to cut yourself.  No different in this case.  They would cut themselves accidentally and then come in contact with the monkey blood.  If the monkey was infected, the virus would transfer to the human.  Some of these tribesmen would also sell their blood to augment their income which is how AIDS made its way into the blood supply.  No bestiality has taken place Senator, except in your tiny mind.

The person referred to as “Patient Zero” was a steward for Air Canada (sorry Senator, not  pilot – your memory is wrong).  He was involved in a crash of some kind in one of these African nations and required a transfusion.  Unfortunately, the blood was tainted.  Being gay, when he returned to Canada, he engaged in sexual activity with other men, which spread the disease.

The senator’s other comment is equally stupid – and that’s the only word for it.  My understanding is that it is virtually, not completely but virtually, impossible to contract AIDS through heterosexual sex … very rarely.  Senator, you are a complete ass.  Senator, I suggest you read my series of postings under the heading “Bring him to justice”, then explain to the ten victims of George Flowers who are now HIV positive how it is “virtually impossible” for them to have contracted HIV/AIDS from Flowers.  I’m sure they’ll give you a proper hearing before they laugh you out of the room.  By the way Senator, George Flowers is now wanted by the Toronto Police Service on at least ten charges of aggravated sexual assault related to these women.

Surely, as a senator in the Government of the United States of America his office budget would allow for a research clerk.  Before he opened his mouth and proved his stupidity, couldn’t he have asked someone to get him some factual information on AIDS?

I’m not sure which I find more frightening, that people actually elected this man or, that since he is a senator, they will accept his pronouncements as gospel.  As I wrote in the title, this man is dangerous.

Cat.

**Since posting this, I have learned this foolish, foolish man is a state senator, not federal. C **

Bring him to justice – recap

Last August I began a series of posts under the general title “Bring him to justice” following the release of a Public Safety Alert by the Toronto Police Service.  The subject of this PSA was one George Flowers, aka “Mr Flowas”, wanted for aggravated sexual assault.  This man was diagnosed HIV positive in 1996 but neglected to tell his sexual partners, some of whom are now themselves HIV positive.  My interest in this case arises from the fact I know people he dated.

As new verifiable information became available, or as I felt it necessary to respond to comments on postings, I would add another posting to the series. According to the last verifiable report, actually an updated PSA, he was facing twelve charges.  I haven’t added anything over the past couple of months for the simple reason I won’t print rumours.  Oh, I’ve heard stories that he’s been spotted here or there; that he’s being hidden somewhere, or that he’s turned himself in.  But without any confirmation, I won’t print these canards and nobody can confirm the information.  So it doesn’t get printed.  One further reason for that decision, especially the rumour he’s turned himself in, is that it would give false hope to his victims, and their lives are hard enough without me adding to their difficulties.

If you have any information on the present whereabouts of George Flowers, or you wish to add yourself to the list of victims, I urge you to contact Detective Nancy Johnston at the Toronto Police Service, 55 Division, telephone number 416-808-5505.  You can also contact CrimeStoppers anonymously with your information.  According to information from Det Johnston, you don’t have to have been diagnosed positive to file a complaint, just that fact you were with him is enough.

Considering the lack of interest from the mainstream media on this, I feel confident that if something does happen on the search for George Flowers, you’ll read it here first.

Cat.

I can’t do that

One of the main bits of information given to those who would write blogs is “pick a subject and write about that”.  If you choose, say, writing, then write about the various aspects of writing. If you pick photography, then use your site to explore that world.  Travel, food, whatever subject you decide upon should be the focus of most, if not all, your postings.”

Sounds like good, solid advice.  Too bad I don’t follow it.  If you follow or read my postings, you’ve noticed I write about anything and everything that catches my eye.  That is why you’ll find an essay on friends amid postings on scams (“More money I won’t get”) or the latest antics of Toronto’s sometime mayor (“Football first”) or ripping into some of the spam I find (“Look who’s talking”).

Do I have the knowledge and experience to write on a single topic?  Probably. I’ve written before on blogging (“Our words are powerful”) but my mind doesn’t work in a manner that allows me to focus solely on one topic. I’m interested in the world at large and when something in the news provokes a response, I act on it.  Granted there are some subjects that are closer to my heart than others, but I won’t write about them exclusively.

For example, since August, I’ve written a series of posts under the main title “Bring him to justice”.  This series deals with the Toronto Police search for one George Flowers, aka “Mr Flowas”, a wannabe rapper who is wanted for aggravated sexual assault.  This “thing” was diagnosed HIV positive in 1996 but never told any of his partners. I know people who dated him and some have since tested positive, so I have a personal interest in seeing this garbage off the streets.  But that series is as close as I’ve come to a single topic.  And the reason there haven’t been any recent postings under that title is that there is no concrete news to write about and I won’t put up rumours.  As it states in my public profile, I’m transgendered.  There are already enough people out there writing blogs on the LGBT community, so I doubt I could add anything of import.  I have written on those issues, but only from a personal perspective, where something will or does affect me personally.

So, having said all this, I repeat, that is good advice – pick a subject in which you have knowledge and write about it.  But, I can’t do that.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend and remember to hug an artist – we need love too.

Cat.